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MountainGoat

So many hate crimes, and someone feels the need to fabricate one?! That's insane....

David Erin Anthony

We dont have all the details and I don't think we ever will. I will say this...


Dont believe what you hear on the news.

Sometimes people are not strong enough to face thier fears....

Im just saddened the situation turned out this way. Justice will never be served.

Clayton E. Cramer

So many hate crimes? Not against homosexuals. You know, the FBI gathers statistics on hate crimes based on sexual orientation. As I mentioned at http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/2006_06_11_archive.html#115014167772513748, the 2004 report showed a total of 1,406 offenses reported where the bias was based on sexual orientation--and some of those (about 2.5%) were hate crimes based on the victim being straight.

On the other hand, there's no shortage of frauds like the one mentioned at http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/2004_04_04_archive.html#108143424640760660 and this one at http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/2005_05_08_archive.html#111575454489389835. There are many others that have happened over the last few years, as a shortage of real hate crimes against homosexuals has created so much demand that homosexual activists have to fake them.

Clayton E. Cramer

"Dont believe what you hear on the news.

"Sometimes people are not strong enough to face thier fears....

"Im just saddened the situation turned out this way. Justice will never be served."

So are you saying that the "victim" is now lying about having lied about being attacked? This isn't the first time--in fact, homosexual activists claiming to have been attacked, when they were not, is very, very common. Fortunately, the people that do this sort of thing are more interested in attention than anything else, and do a lousy job of faking the details.

As an example, when I lived in the Bay Area, a lesbian pastor at one of the liberal churches reported being attacked by homophobes who beat her and then wrote vicious, anti-gay slurs on her face with Magic Marker.

Then the police noticed that the letters were backward--rather like someone had written them while looking in a mirror. Eventually, as inconsistencies in her story multiplied, she admitted that no one attacked her; she was just trying to get sympathy for homosexuals.

And there are DOZENS of similar examples, largely at universities (where the ability to think critically is noticeably absent), where "hate crimes" against homosexuals turned out to be fraud.

I've listed a number of examples on my blog over the years, including this one: http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/2005_05_08_archive.html#111575454489389835 and http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/2004_04_18_archive.html#108259791599366592 and http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/2004_04_04_archive.html#108143424640760660.

MountainGoat

One hate crime is one too many. One could also say, one fraud is one to many. Each fraud, if proven so, diminishes the response to those who might truly be victims; and there are victims. Ask Matthew Shepard if his hate crime was fabricated...oh you can't...he's dead. No, I think that one was real.

MountainGoat

Welcome to Idaho, Professor Cramer. I sincerely hope you enjoy your time in this beautiful place. Please note however that any hate, whether by word or by deed, is not welcome here.

David Erin Anthony

Regarding the young man who reported the attack.....I was on campus the evening with my family. I saw him being rushed into the student union building. If this boy self inflicted those wounds he had to be pretty creative with the stomach and back bruises. Im not saying he made it up or not. I didnt see the attack. I did see him afterwards. I feel sorry he felt he had to make the statement he did.
As far as saying well, the number of reported sexial orientation crimes is low so we shouldn't worry about it, is completely improper. Thats like saying your neighbors wife was only hit one last month by her husband so its ok. ITS NEVER OK. As stated above. Once is too many.

Clayton E. Cramer

"Ask Matthew Shepard if his hate crime was fabricated...oh you can't...he's dead. No, I think that one was real."

Except that it wasn't a hate crime. Shepard was murdered in a robbery that went bad. The claim that he was murdered because he was a homosexual was thoroughly demolished by ABC a couple of years ago. At least one of his killers was homosexual.

"I feel sorry he felt he had to make the statement he did."

Which statement? That he had been attacked? Or admitting that he faked it?

"As far as saying well, the number of reported sexial orientation crimes is low so we shouldn't worry about it, is completely improper."

Who said that we shouldn't worry about it? I didn't. It helps to actually read to what you are responding. It does explain the need to fabricate such crimes, however.

The Nickel-Plated JA

I say give the kid the benefit of the doubt: if it was a deliberate attempt to elicit sympathy, wouldn't it have made more sense a week before the election (with the @@#$#$ Amendment on the ballot) than a week after?

My best guess at this point is it was something kinky gone awry -- and the best excuse he had at the time was the attack... which rapidly got away from him and became much bigger (in terms of police investigation, etc.) than he had originally intended. Seem far-fetched? There's a community on LiveJournal called "bdsm_excuses" that has 113 members; I suspect that such things (kink becomes "fight" becomes huge misunderstanding) may be more common than the mainstream media is willing to report.

Either that or he tried to watch the newly-released DVD version of "The DaVinci Code" -- after about an hour of that plodding monstrosity I was ready to start flaying myself like Silas for wasting my time watching it!

Clayton E. Cramer

"I say give the kid the benefit of the doubt: if it was a deliberate attempt to elicit sympathy, wouldn't it have made more sense a week before the election (with the @@#$#$ Amendment on the ballot) than a week after?"

Why? It wouldn't have swayed enough votes to matter. But after the election (which was a forgone conclusion with respect to the marriage definition amendment), it was an opportunity to rouse progressive sorts into an orgy of self-righteousness.

MountainGoat

Hey Prof. Cramer relax, take it easy a little bit. Seems like an awfully heavy load you're carrying....

sharon fisher

bdsm_excuses on livejournal is joking, not serious.

I don't know what to think -- whether the kid was attacked or not, whether he's lying about the attack or lying about the not-attack, whether he did it himself or someone else did it regardless of reason. It's all just sad.

Jim

What is the name of the person who says he was attacked/made the false police report? It should be in the public record right?

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